It looks as though the Israel-Lebanon are-we-calling-it-a-war-yet of 2006 is the first conflict to be blogged from day one. Bloggers from both sides of the border - some of whom were already aware of one another before this tragedy began - have been providing live updates, commenting on one another's blogs and sometimes linking to posts by bloggers on the other side of the border. Will this turn out to be the first time that residents of "enemy" countries engaged in an ongoing conversation while missiles were falling?
Haaretz published an article about the online conversation between Lebanese and Israelis here (Hebrew). It links to the blog of Ami (scroll down for English), who is hosting an ongoing thread of talkbacks by Israelis and Lebanse, and to the Lebanese bloggers forum where the same phenomenon is taking place. There are currently 383 comments in response to this post on the Lebanese bloggers forum, including the following from an Israeli guy named Shachar:
Hey.
I'm an IDF soldier stationed at the Lebanon is border, but got back home for a funeral of someone I knew.
We
can't see all the bombing on Lebanon here from Israel (naturaly we're
focusing on bombs at Israel), so you're pretty much updating me on
what's going on.
I don't want to start arguing about who's right
and who's wrong, the finaly word is that it's not right that civilians
get hurt in the process, from both sides.
I'm sending you my
best wishes from here, and hope that you and your family will be strong
and be alright until this horrible situation will be over.
Shachar.
Chez moi, a Lebanese commenter wrote, in response to my March of Folly post:
Hi,
I think I must first mention that i am lebanese, and second that I
really appreciate the fact that there are reasonable people on both
sides of the border. I have been checking lebanese blogs for the past
few days and was frustrated that most of the comments from Israelis
were extremely unsympathetic to the plight of the lebanese civilian. We
were dubbed as human shields to terrorists, and justifications were
given to every civilian death in lebanon. I was appalled.
I can rest a little easier in this difficult time, because I have found
reasonable voices in Israel. By the way, I am having a hard time
quitting smoking, with this shit going on too.
R
And there is an article about the Lebanon-Israel blogging phenomenon on the Times Online, here.
The internet has also been offering some surreal experiences, like the ability to have a Beirut-Tel Aviv online IM chat in real time while the missiles are falling. That's what happened to me and this blogger a few nights ago. We chatted while he was sitting on the roof of his apartment building in Beirut, watching missiles from Israeli planes fall on his city and describing it to me. He was carrying on an online conversation with another Israeli at the same time. And he was able to describe his feelings and the atmosphere in a human, personal way that no newspaper article or television news segment could achieve.
Meanwhile, in a moment of supreme weirdness, someone on a pro-Hezbollah chatboard called, with striking originality, Shi'a Chat, has linked to my post about Zvi Yehezkeli on Al Manar television.
One of the prevalent themes on many of these blogs is a sense of powerlessness and great sadness. Of wondering how our countries got dragged into this conflict.
There is plenty of the blame game, too, of course. And I guess that attitudes will continue to harden as this conflict continues - which it seems set to do. As I mentioned in my last post, a lot of Lebanese bloggers have become very angry at Israel, to the point of rejecting personal contact. But this is not the case for all - not by any means.
What does this mean? I'm not sure. I'm too sad and overtired to think about it right now, to be honest. But I know this is significant. I do think about the fact that many of these bloggers are from their respective countries' educated, liberal elite and I am sure that amongst them are some future leaders. When this latest round of pointless death and destruction ends, when the anger dissipates, perhaps they will remember the personal connections with their "enemy." Think about what it means, if the next generation of Lebanese and Israeli politicians and business leaders have intimate and personal knowledge of the others' humanity. They won't forget that, even while there was a war going on, they were able to talk to one another and express their feelings. It's not so easy to kill someone you know. It's possible to contemplate embarking on a joint development project or business endeavour with someone from the other side - if you know him or her as a human being, not simply "the former enemy."
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Re: The most blogged war?
Our enemy is not the Lebanese people but Hizballah. Do the people in Lebanon know that their enemy is not the Israelis but the terrorists who have taken over the southern part of their country? If they do not know that, then all of the very positive contact (which I think is fantastic) will come to nothing.
Re: The most blogged war?
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roxana
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 12:19 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi
Im a recent reader to your blog since Israel -Lebanon conflict began .There are so many points in your posts but I will comment on one of ur paragraphs : U say “It's not so easy to kill someone you know” , yes its not easy but ur concultion is wrong since nothing personal in wars in bombing and killing !! “UNFORTUNATLY” . I believe u read “Nothing, and so be itby oriana fallaci ( Italian journalist ) , she describe her feeling while accompanying an American pilot during his mission to bombarding Vit-kongi area during American-Vietnam war , Although she was sympatic to Vietnam cause at that time while she was flying with that pilot she had totally different feelings and praying all that time on the plane . “ God help us kill them” !!!!! since she was so afraid for her life . I have to add that through reading your blog I understand that you are pro-isreal and its natural that u feel for your people but as a viewer to this war I believe what is happening is 1 million time harder for lebanines to tolerate . more than 200 lives has been despair so far and God only knows how many more will be killed , more than 6 billion $ info structure destroys so far and most of all American government`s sympathy , understanding and support is only for Israelis and their military action ! So much to say and so much to wipe for . it is not easy for a person to watch his/her country become a grave yard . P.S : im not a lebanies , im not an arab Re: Re: The most blogged war?
Roxana, both the Israelis and the Lebanese are weeping. All of us, okay?
Please do not compare numbers of Lebanese killed versus numbers of Israelis killed. The list is long on both sides. Much too long. And one is too many! Would you feel better if more Israelis had died. Or just as many? So when you weep, weep for all of us - Lebanese and Israelis, the citizens of the only two democracies in the Middle East, as we watch our dream of peace destroyed by insane religious fanatics. Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Anna
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 03:40 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Lisa, great job! I wish I had explained it with the same words, when people keep asking me how can I "worry for Israelis when so many arabs are dieing".
Well, maybe now I will. :-) Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Ramzi Sfeir
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 07:42 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Lisa, just allow me to say that The Palestinian Authority is as Democratic as lebanon and Israel, i don't know if you heard about the incident today, i was watching al Jazeera and there was a live feed from nablus, at some point, an army jeep approached the Journalist, threatned to run over her, when they realized that she was not moving, they went a few meters backwards and shot one of her crew members, IT ALL WAS LIVE ...With all due respect, i find this disgusting for a Democracy ! Where is the freedom of press ? The guy they shot was not even a Palestinian, he is an israeli Arab from the north.... Not mentioning that for the last 4 days, the israeli police didnt stop arresting al Jazeera correspondents, they arrested Al Jazeera Director 2 times the same day...As a journalist, tell me what you think! I mean , no matter how much i want peace...no matter how much i want to see an end to all of this, but the Olmert government is really acting in a way that has no logic or humanity at all and believe me, i am sure that they WISH hizballah hits Tel-Aviv , it will only make olmert stronger! He reigns with FEAR!! Not mentioning that the Bush administration is giving olmert Blind support....Why condemn attacks on israel while allowing attacks on lebanon? To my knowledge, all those who died in lebanon had nothing to do with Hizballah!
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Hi Ramzi,
You are quite right about the PA being as democratic as Israel and Lebanon; it was my oversight. I guess I was thinking more of a similarity in "liberal" democracies, but that is also debatable and you are right to bring the point to my attention. I will check with the bureau chief of Al Jazeera in Ramallah about the incident you describe and see if the Israeli army has a response. I'll send the information to you by email. Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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rorok86
on Sat 22 Jul 2006 09:22 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Ramzi,
You are extremely right on your comment. I am a lebanese who live in United States. Today I have found out that the LBC news station in lebanon was hit by an israeli airstrike and has killed one of the LBC spokespeople. What the Olmert government is doing to the lebanese is not reasonable at all! The south is completely torn to pieces. These civilians who have died were only civilians who were trying to live their lives. They are all people who have nothing but their families and their country. Taking that away from them is basically taking away their life. Many children have died in this war. Is that really fair to those parents? To those children who have seen nothing in their lives? The lebanese people have been in war for thirty-five years and they do not deserve this all over again. They are victims of this war and are suffering because of political reasons. I am not saying what Hizballah is doing is correct! But again Israels reaction is not logical to kills all these civilians and tear the country down to nothing. These people have been brought back 40-50 years so far in this 11 day war. Who is going to rebuild our country?? Re: The most blogged war?
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David Paran
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 12:31 PM IDT | Permanent Link
thanks for the links - fascinating.
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Perpetually Calling Home Worried
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 03:41 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Nice post Lisa. I'm too busy reading my hate mail to reply but I hope you're right.
Until then, allow me one comment in response to something I keep hearing over and over and over again. 'We are not against the Lebanese people. Just Hezballah'. OK. I heard it before. I hear it constantly now. We have over 900 injured and over 230 dead most of which are not Hizbullah. Byblos (Jbeil) was bombed. As was Zahle. The (inactive) Lebanese army has been targeted even though these are the same soldiers the IDF wants deployed to the border....I'll stop here. The point is, none of these 'targets' were Hizbullah related. (there are dozens and dozens more places but you get it...) Needless to say, as you mentioned, both sides will harden their stances. As Israel fights to 'protect it's citizens', the Lebanese will fight to 'protect their sovereignty'....and they'll remember for a very long time what has happened. The exact opposite to Olmert's plan has happened in Lebanon. We have united to fight the foreign oppressor. We will deal with internal politics once our sovereignty is guaranteed. That is the unfortunate reality. But it's the reality nonetheless. I hope you remain safe. The world needs more people like you. I still consider you my friend. But I will never return to Israel. Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Nir
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 04:30 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Look, I'm Israeli and I'm also constantly calling home worried, as my parents live in an area constantly hit by Hizbollah rockets. The fact that there are 10 Lebanese casualites for every Israeli is completely meaningless when a loved one is hit.
And, btw, it's not the first time - I was also calling worried to my friends and family when bus lines, coffeeshops and malls they frequently visit were suicide bombed. Remember, this was all started by Hizbollah's actions. What would you do if you were Israel? Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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ainat
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 05:23 AM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
What would you do if you were Israel?
I am lebanese and let me answer you: I would certainly want to destroy hezbollah, so I would target Syria and Iran, because every body knows that without those two countrys Hezbollah does'nt exist, and I would NOT target civilians, infrastuctures, factorys, ambulances, trucks, and so one, I would not destroy lebanon. Please tell me why Israël does'nt declare war to Syria an Iran?? I strongly believe that they are afraid, and it is so easy to destroy lebanon...there is no army here. Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Brendan
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 08:20 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Calls for Israel to destroy Syria and Iran are similar to calls on Lebanon to destroy Hezbollah. You can only do what you can do, and although Israel's military is strong, I would be surprised if they have the capacity to fight Syria and Iran, while holding off Hamas and Hezbollah on their flanks.
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rorok86
on Sat 22 Jul 2006 09:32 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Look I am lebanese. I am also calling home everyday to see if my family and friends are safe. We are not saying that we want more israelis to die!!! That is not the problem, the fact is that 10 times more lebanese are dying compared to israelis that shows what type of damage the olmert government is doing to our country and to our people! By the way its not the first time for me either- i was calling everyday last year when every other day they were bombing cars in beirut. The lebanese people have been through ENOUGH!! Again we are victims. We are not saying that Hizbollah's actions were correct! NO! But israel needs to get away from our civilians, news stations, trucks, ports, and airports.
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Anonymous
on Thu 03 Aug 2006 05:45 AM IDT | Permanent Link
What would I do if I were Israel. I the Prime Minister after my solders were kidnapped would have picked up the phone and call the Prime Minister of Lebanon. I would have give him 48 hours to get Hizbollah to return the soldiers before I started bombing. It is his country they are his problem. I would have gone on National TV an told the world I was giving him a chance to save the lives for his people.. If he can't do the job and control Hizbollah Israel has to. But he should have been given a opporunity.
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brooklynsax
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 08:13 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
If there is one thing this war has confirmed, it is that the criticism that blogs are open diaries for the perpetually self-absorbed is definitely apt.
That's why it's so refreshing to read what Lisa writes. Her sensitivity and unwillingness to resort to hate in this dire time puts her at the head of the pack. And Perpetual Ref: I have no idea why anyone would want to "read" hate mail, especially during what you call a "genocide". All bloggers get hate mail, and I have no doubt that right now it's flowing both ways. It's sad and stupid, but unfortunately it comes with the territory. Delete it and move on. You have more important things to worry about. And so do we. Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
I second that emotion.
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Sagebrushprof
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 07:41 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Nice post Lisa. Your last paragraph is a powerful statement.
You may not like what he has to say, but Ali, brother to Omar and Mohammed at Iraq the Model, has something to say about the Hezbollah - Israeli battle. From someone who has major death and destruction around him daily - from inside Bahgdad. I'm sure he will get many reactions. Daniel Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Sagebrushprof
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 10:00 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Sorry, I don't know why the link didn't stick
Ali at Free Iraqi saying "I hope it goes on and on" Daniel Re: The most blogged war?
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Free Cedar
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 09:55 PM IDT | Permanent Link
The level of incomprehension and unfairness make us doubt. However, I join you in hoping that bridges of communication will go on and will not be forever destroyed. I also hope for a near end of this unnecessary bloodshed.
Thank you for your post. Re: The most blogged war?
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Sarit
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 10:20 PM IDT | Permanent Link
From Perpetual Refugee;
"We have united to fight the foreign oppressor." So I take it from this statement he has put on a yellow costume and decided to fight with Hizbollah against the "oppressor." Either that or he has run off to Syria like the proud fighter he is. Either way, I think your boyfriend has left you for good. These words out of his mouth are straight from the propaganda textbook. And we all thought his words and decompressions were so original...He won't visit Israel any longer? Oh geez, what will we do now? Does he really think Israelis care (besides you, Lisa)??? Re: Re: The most blogged war?
Sarit, do you think comments like that are helpful?
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Sarit
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 02:56 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Adina,
Even if my comments are not helpful, they are appropriate. We, Israelis and Jews, are constantly apologizing for civillian deaths (rightfully so) but WHO is apologizing for ours? We did not start this war and I do not care to be referred to as a "foreign oppressor" when it is neither our intention or in fact the reality of the situation. The "foreign oppressors" in Lebanon are the Hizbollah. That is fact. We are not oppressing anyone, we are trying to defend ourselves from being oppressed. I have not started to hate Lebanese even after some have started cursing us. So you think my responding to PR's hate-filled post was not helpful. Well I think it's about time someone called a spade a spade. We do not need any more fair weather friends who cannot even bring themselves to condemn our civillian deaths. Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Jeff
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 07:10 AM IDT | Permanent Link
No, Sarit, you are wrong.
PR never pretended to be perfect. He always acknowledged that he was angry and furious and had a lot of hate, but something was pulling him in the other direction. This is something that many Israelis and Arabs never manage to do. Now, his home is under attack. Even if every Israeli bombing is justified, innocent people are dying, his friends, his family, his countrymen. The hope of Lebanese democracy seem to be collapsing. I'm not at all sure that the Israeli version of these events IS the only possible one. But even if it is, this is not the time for calling names, it's a time for patience. That's the whole point of this conversation, I thought: that even people who disagree completely and are tempted to hate and kill still can try to talk and understand. No matter who is right and who is wrong about what. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Sarit
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 08:53 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Jeff-
How do YOU know my family's house is not under attack? Should I therefore start hating EVERY Lebanese and start referring to them as "foreign oppressors" and say I want to fight them??? Stop making excuses for others who think it's perfectly OK for a group in their gov't to go on a rocket rampage through our country and kill our soldiers. All I see on blogs are Israelis explaining themselves and begging for forgiveness from people who simply do not care that OUR citizens are dying. In the meantime all the killing originated from THEIR COUNTRY. You are acting as an enabler. I, for one, will not take responsibility for a war started from their country. Furthermore, I am not the one "name calling" and not being patient and I am not the one saying I hate the Lebanese people. Please don't preach to me. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Jeff
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 08:57 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Sarit:
No, I don't know your family isn't under attack, they may be. I didn't hear PR saying that that was just fine by him if they were. I've talked with plenty of Iraqis who hate America because of what has happened in Iraq. And whether they are talking about things done on purpose by American soldiers in prisons; or decisions to attack military or quasi-military targets with collateral civilian death; or unintended consequences, like the country spinning into chaos, they often express hatred. What should I say to an Iraqi blogger who expresses hatred for American soldiers when her uncle is killed by them? It seems pointless and perverse to "correct" her. Whether it was legitimate killing, or a mistake, or it was done in bad faith, her uncle is dead. Her country is in chaos. Why should't I be patient? Why should I call her names or sneer at her? People don't act like computers when their relatives and friends are killed. My house is five minutes from the Pentagon and I lived right here on 9/11. But I never thought a war of words with those who suffer on account of responses to that action was justified. If correcting your rhetoric is "preaching", then I'd say that's just what is necessary. And I feel perfectly free in taking the liberty to do so. One can be hawkish, one can accept collateral killing when one feels constrained to do it. But that doesn't mean that if someone's sister is killed in a car fleeing on a road, or someone's house is bombed, one should respond to fury and grief with "You guys deserved it, too bad for you. We're not targetting civilians. This happens in all wars. You started it. Be quiet and take your medicine." I read a lot of Arab blogs. I read quite a few in which the bloggers have Israeli commenters. And friendships are struck up. Just yesterday, I read on Sudanese blogger saying to his Israeli commenter, "I'm not one of those who wants Israel destroyed. Because if Israel is destroyed, you will suffer, my friend. And how could I want that?" As with Lisa's friend in Gaza, that's a good thing, a very good thing. That's progress. When an Israeli sees Lebanese collateral damage and thinks, "That's MY sister and her kids; those are MY people," and an Arab thinks, "That's MY friends under attack, my brother," then peace will have to come. Of course, you are right in this, Sarit...I should cut you some slack to. And I do, hereby, cut you some slack. But in a certain way, generalized condemnations of a group made out of rage are less harmful (if not followed up with generalized ACTION against them) than an attack on an individual. If a Lebanese wrote in and said, "Crybaby Sarit, whining about a few rockets," I would consider that to be as unhelpful and wrongheaded as your response to PR. And whatever, he says, PR is still here, talking to Israelis. I'm glad. And whatever he says about hate, if Lisa were killed by a rocket, I'm sure he would not be dancing in the street. I doubt he would rejoice even if people like you, who insult him, were to be hurt. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Alex
on Fri 21 Jul 2006 08:01 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Anonymous to Sarit:
I'm not going to argue, but you seem to be making statements or assumptions about people you don't know. These types of assumptions are failures in logic. I do believe Sarat was at least correct in stating that people do generally get killed in wars. Civilians and innocent people die all the time in wars. War in itself is not a delicate precision instrument. If you think about it even the soldiers that die a lot of times are innocent in a way. Many soldiers can be drafted or are just doing their job and don't feel hatred towards their "enemy", but they do their job or don't in which case they may die. People are insensitive and sensitive on all sides due to the emotional nature of war. I personally feel bad for any innocents who suffer on any side of this battle, but it's easy to see that the blame does not lay with Israel. Hezbollah has been running amuck for some time now and Lebanon has not done anything to dismantle them or at least has had no success in doing so. I should hope that Hezbollah's actions and ability to conduct such acts in the future is completely destroyed as a result of this event. I would further hope that Lebanon will receive International aide and be assisted in creating an infrastructure that will not allow terrorists to squat within it's borders. It is in the best interests of Israel and Lebanon to be rid of organizations which do not benefit BOTH countries interests. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Perpetually Giving
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 08:56 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Jeff/Adina/others,
Thank you. A lot of the hate mail that I have is people who automatically assume I've donned my military fatigues, strapped on my explosives belt, and shooting at F-16s.... I stopped reading. Right now I've doing charity work, sending supplies, organizing amongst affluent Lebanese overseas to ensure that money and items are being sent. Afterwards, with the help of many others, we will arrange for a bunch of expats and locals alike to physically rebuilt the country. Get our hands dirty, clean the streets. Arrange for construction crews to rebuild, etc. Instead of spending a month in Tuscany, I'd prefer hard labour in Beirut, Zahle, Byblos, al Dahiya al Jnoubiya, Haret Hreik, South Lebanon, North, East and West... Yet, if people want to believe that I'm a killer, let them go ahead. I've stopped caring. Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Anonymous
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 11:34 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Perpetually Self-Absorbed has turned off his comments. In review- He's squashed free speech by tuning out any opinions that differ from his and...... is one minute preaching about crushing the foreign enemy and genocide and the next minute is lamenting a humanitarian crisis. Yes, it sounds like he will make the perfect Hizbollah trainee.
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adina
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 06:46 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
anon - we are all angry and undertandably so. Your anger, however, is too mixed with hate to be interesting or useful.
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The Raccoon
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 04:37 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Whew... s'good to know, PR. Good luck with that - and here's to hoping, as always, for a free, secure and prosperous Lebanon to emerge from this ordeal.
Re: The most blogged war?
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a
on Tue 18 Jul 2006 11:21 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Lisa, I love your "watching-each-other" post -- I think it captures a lot more than a simply surreal situation made possible by the development of information technology... And to a point, I share your presumptions about the educational background and political outlook of, let's say, the majority of interlocutors in this "most blogged war".
Call me a pessimist, but as much as I would like to believe that education, liberalism and humanity will eventually carry the day, tell me: when was the last time Israel had a government made up of educated, liberal humanitarians rather than war criminals, thugs and cronies? When was the last time Lebanon had such a government? Egypt? Saudi? America? Re: Re: The most blogged war?
Speaking of blog dialogue, "Tololy Box's", one of the best Jordanian blogs, is attempting to discuss (heatedly of course) the current tragedy. At the moment, it lacks Israeli voices which Tololy wants to bring into the conversation.
Lisa, I hope you don't mind if I ask some of the many Israelis who frequent your blog to lend their voices to the discussion going on over there. http://www.tololy.com/2006/07/18/moderates-no-more/ Re: The most blogged war?
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Fallen Angel
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 12:48 AM IDT | Permanent Link
Dear Lisa,
I have citied and linked your posts, pictures, to my blog. If you do mind then please inform me and I will remove them as soon as possible. Thank you for all your thoughful, hard work. Re: The most blogged war?
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Anonymous
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 05:38 PM IDT | Permanent Link
I support Israel 110%. The innocent should put pressure on their leader. You need to call news networks like the Communist Net Work (CNN) and March in the streets to have peace and down with Hezbollah. But the innocent seems to set on their butts and do nothing. Let’s face it; you’re as innocent as a mad dog.
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Anonymous
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 07:50 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Its amazing how to Israelis time starts when they are targeted, anything prior to that is non existent. To hell with Lebanese sovereiegnty as long as they feel secured.
Israeli jet planes have been invading Lebanese airspace since 2000. They shoot at our sheperds and kill them. They hold our prioners indefinitely. Their mines kill and maim 20 lebanese civilians every year yet they refuse to hand the UN any maps. Our life and soveriegnty means nothing to them as long as they feel secured, but when Hizbullah decides to do something about it ( since diplomacy rings no bell to the mind of an Israeli), all hell breaks loose. Suddenly the agressor becomes the victim and launches a "self righteous" brutal war on Lebanon. There is a jewish proverb that says: "Do unto others as you would have them do to you". Until Israelis start doing that, until they start treating us as equal human beings who have fears and concerns, you will never feel secure. This I can safely assure. Re: Re: The most blogged war?
Anonymous, I don't see what your comment has to do with my post. I'm talking about individuals and you are talking about armies and politicians.
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alparis
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 09:18 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Lisa,
I'd send you an email about this but you're probably too busy to check them all. I was just reading the Al Jazeera site in Arabic and in English and both "ommitted" the fact that the 2 boys killed in Nazareth were Arab-Israelis. The Arabic page said "Nazareth, which is inhabited by the Arabs of 48, was bombed today by Hizbullah, leading to the deaths of 3 people and some injured". I then checked the English page thinking they wouldn't do the same thing, but lo and behold they did. "Two Israeli children were killed when a rocket hit a house in the northern Israeli town of Nazareth", a military spokesman said. It's a miracle I haven't smashed the TV yet! Now people should understand why the Israeli's are right to expel Al jazeera from Israel during a time of war, since they are clearly on the side of the enemy. Hope you're well. Al Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Lazarus
on Wed 19 Jul 2006 11:14 PM IDT | Permanent Link
whether they were israeli or arab-israeli, its a shame that those two boys were killed. they had lives, dreams, memories, and the whole future ahead of them.
(btw, news - ALL news - outlets have been biased.) Re: The most blogged war?
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TomGrey
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 12:37 AM IDT | Permanent Link
I was just wondering if it wouldn't be smart for Israel to offer safe haven for some 10 000 Lebanese Shia, perhaps exclusively women and children and old folk -- so they could also see what Israel is like while being "guests" in Israel. Free to return home at their choosing, with bus fare to the border, at least.
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SemperGumby
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 02:20 AM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Lisa,
When the shooting stops it will be voices like yours that will start to pick up the pieces to re-establish communications. Keep the faith for in you we have hope. Sincerly, Bill sempregumby Re: The most blogged war?
Thanks Lisa for this post. While blogging can often be vicious, it is nice to see that it can also be a place where real humans express real emotions and quit objectifying one another. This makes me think of Martin Buber and his desire for humans to face one another and actually meet one another instead of talking at an object.
Blessings! Re: The most blogged war?
Say, Lisa, I have the perfect remedy for all this over-blogging about the war.
Why don't you take this golden opportunity to tell us how you went to Tokyo and what you did there? After all, that was the reason I started reading your blog in the first place and ever since I've been waiting... and waiting... and waiting... Re: Re: The most blogged war?
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Sagebrushprof
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 04:52 PM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
sharvul, I agree with you. But Lisa's story is beyond that. It is so beuatifully written and such a compelling story that she ought to turn it into a book, continuing with Tokyo and back to Israel to current times.
To me, her story is reminiscent of episodes in Exodus by Leon Uris that tell of relationships and intimacy in the midst of chaos. Perhaps one day when the despair of current times has subsided, and enough time has passed, she will consider it. I too have been waiting. Dan C. Re: The most blogged war?
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Anonymous
on Thu 20 Jul 2006 04:27 PM IDT | Permanent Link
This post was briefly on the screen dring CBC The National last night.
Re: The most blogged war?
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BornIn1965
on Fri 21 Jul 2006 12:33 AM IDT | Profile | Permanent Link
www.israellycool.com is blogging on the war as well. For those of us in the west, reading the "first hand" accounts of what is going on is so important, because the media simply can't be trusted to get the stories or issues right.
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W.
on Fri 21 Jul 2006 02:58 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Hi Lisa,
I read your article on the Jpost website... And I'm adding my comments to your list. 1. I'm Lebanese by the way, and I dated a jew before and would certainly date another again.. I have no problem with my girlfriend to be Jew, Christian, Moslem, Budhist, etc... I frankly don't care about her religion at all, it's the person that matters... i certainly hope you do not stereotype people and take the time to meet the people before saying what you said. 2. I do have a problem when the Israeli (mark the words) retaliation targets civilians, despite what the Israeli army is saying: innocents ARE dying (Close to 200 dead and 800 injured as I write my text) in Lebanon. 3. Not all Lebanese support Hezbollah, but definitelty NONE of the Lebanese support Israeli retaliation in this way... Having military superiority is by no means an excuse to decimate a whole country's population and infrastructure. 4. Israeli AND Lebanese are indeed close by education (Mostly western), social vision of things, culture, etc... And the Israeli army is CERTAINLY NOT helping in 'cooling' things down... Nor the declarations of your PM on TV... Cheers, A Lebanese... W. Re: The most blogged war?
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Anonymous
on Fri 21 Jul 2006 05:44 PM IDT | Permanent Link
Safe wishes to you, Sachar's, and "R's" family, friends, and loved ones. And thank you all for blogging!
Comfort and condolences to those killed. On all sides. best, "Moose" Re: The most blogged war?
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Jim
on Tue 25 Jul 2006 09:32 PM IDT | Permanent Link
I saw your blog sight on CNN news today (7/25/2006) Why can't people just get along, with each other? sgtbeavers@comcast.net
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Anonymous
on Thu 03 Aug 2006 04:06 AM IDT | Permanent Link
what were the isrealis thinking? this war is a disaster while no one wins. and the usa just stands by. it"s sad
jace Re: The most blogged war?
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Gaga
on Sat 19 Aug 2006 06:30 PM IDT | Permanent Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4Zlt9aMsnY
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